June 6th, 2007 (11:24 am)
feeling a just bit: blah
The Tok'ra fascinate me, in general; both as Goa'uld with better politics and as individuals. Jolinar, in particular, for obvious reasons. (Tok'ra love + Sam love = Jolinar love.)
So.
Teal'c: It is. Jolinar once tried to overthrow one of the System Lords but was defeated when Apophis joined the battle. He escaped during the slaughter of his armies.
(In the Line of Duty)
Now, I feel as though TPTB have never really given us definitive parameters/ground rules in regards to the Tok'ra. Maybe it's just me, but it would seem we don't really know a whole lot for sure about them. We can infer/guess/speculate based on what we see, but it's really all rather open. And I suppose that's part of the nature of their "race" - very secretive, stealthy, and generally something of a living myth for the Goa'uld (and presumably others).
For that reason, I guess Jolinar's infamy could be somewhat exaggerated. I mean, if I had a particularly meddlesome enemy, I'd totally embellish to make myself seem all the more powerful for withstanding attempts on my reign/life. (Wouldn't you? Oh...)
Still, I'd really love to know what exactly went down with Jolinar. If she was going on undercover missions alone, she was clearly trusted and considered more than capable. But to try to overthrow one of the System Lords with armies of her own...? (Am I correct in reading that quote from Teal'c that the "He" escaping is Jolinar and not the Goa'uld? My DVD's are packed away and I feel it's ambiguous in text.)
Also, the idea of Jolinar and Teal'c fighting in the same battle on opposite sides fascinates me, as well.
And, because I love him dearly (dead or alive), Martouf and Jolinar's relationship is something I wish could be explored more. Or talked about more. (Which is why I'm on a couple [dead] Tok'ra lists.) While he's obviously not a low-level lemming within the Tok'ra ranks, I don't see him overthrowing System Lords by himself. (But there again, Jolinar's doing so could have just been part of the legend. Her name might have simply been the one the Goa'uld found out about.) So, I'm curious about their dynamic.
But then, while Martouf always struck me as just a bit... hm. Well, not weak-willed or timid, but kind of a willowy romantic hero figure. Lantash, on the other hand, was obviously the fiery, aggressive, dominating one. And he may have had more experience before Martouf that could rival hers.
Yeah. I'm not really going anywhere with this, per se. I was just thinking about it. I read a post or a quote or something last night that mentioned Jolinar attempting to overthrow one of the system lords and it struck me in a "Hey, wait, that's kind of a big deal" way.
I'm one of those who believe Sam is still affected in some ways by Jolinar's remnants - even if just by dreams, etc. - and that's potentially a pretty weighty person to be carrying around with you.
And now I really ought to get back to my job searching.